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Sister Souljah > William Shakespeare

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by cjericho, Nov 29, 2015.

  1. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    Putting aside for a moment the ridiculousness of comparing, as regards the quality of the storytelling, a play written in the 16th century with a novel written in the 21st ...

    As re: Shakespeare et al., there are two views commonly held by the campus activist set: 1) that works by white Europeans take up far too much space in what we might call the canon of Western literature; and 2) that African-American students cannot relate to such works to the degree that their white counterparts can (hence white students enjoy "white privilege" when pursuing their educations). Both of these views underpin Souljah's answers to this interviewer.

    That's why I dared OOP to trot out his "test of time" arguments. He'll be lucky if he gets laughed out of the room for advancing such a declasse idea. He might find himself apologizing for "traumatizing" a roomful of students.

    Students, faculty address institutionalized racism at University Life event
     
  2. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    OOP: Old, white, and out of touch.
     
  3. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    YF, I've countered every single thing you put in this post more than once. I understand her point just fine. She undercut it by trying to sell her own work as being at that level and inferring that it must be racism if someone dares question her overly inflated opinion of her own work.

    There are absolutely contemporary authors, white and black, who belong in that discussion. She is not one of them. That is the part that you don't even come close to understanding.
     
  4. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    YF: So far out of his league, he doesn't even know the right questions to ask, much less any answers of value.
     
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  5. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    As usual, YF argues for pages before getting to his actual point. It is all the fault of the liberal media!
     
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  6. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    Sorry to break it to you, but Shakespeare is still relevant. His work is still being made into movies. Many of the characters and issues he dealt with still hold up.

    Nobody here is saying we should only be reading about old, white men. I am questioning a relative literary nobody putting herself on the level with one of the most prolific and influential writers of all time, regardless of her race.

    What students need is a mix of the classics and contemporary work, a mix of cultures. The campus activist set certainly deserves to have a voice, but it shouldn't be the ONLY voice.
     
  7. heyabbott

    heyabbott Well-Known Member

    Anyone who reads Grapes of Wrath and believes that the work of this white male doesn't represent the marginalized is a complete idiot and doesn't deserve higher education.
     
  8. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    How familiar are you with her work? Have you read any of it?

    And, just for fun, who are some of the contemporary black authors who do "belong in that discussion"?
     
  9. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    I already mentioned some African American authors who belong in the discussion. You aren't even trying to engage in a serious debate here. You're just switching from one angle of attack to the next, then backtrack when you run into a dead end.

    She doesn't have the resume to be in the discussion. That you don't realize that simply proves how far out of your depth you are in this discussion.

    Have you read any of her work? You are the one trying to prop her up. Is that based on any actual knowledge of her writing?
     
  10. JohnHammond

    JohnHammond Well-Known Member

    Unless we're talking about the best Steelers writers, we can't have an honest discussion about what makes a writer stand the test of time.
     
  11. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    Thank you for your contribution. It will be given the consideration it deserves.
     
  12. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    You continue to make her point with every post.
     
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