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Jeter: Where Does He Rank Among All-Time Greats?

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by MankyJimy, Sep 19, 2014.

  1. SnarkShark

    SnarkShark Well-Known Member

    Olbermann makes a lot of the points we made here to bring Jeets down a peg...


     
  2. Batman

    Batman Well-Known Member

  3. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    Wait. You mean Captain Intangibles is actually an incredibly selfish player who has always put his own interests ahead of the team?
     
  4. Guy_Incognito

    Guy_Incognito Well-Known Member

    The Sheppard thing was a misstep, but for those looking to knock Jeter, the better example is when he faked being hurt when he was not hit by the pitch. The fact that these are the two worst things he's done in 20 years is pretty impressive though.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/16/derek-jeter-hit-by-pitch_n_719269.html
     
  5. MankyJimy

    MankyJimy Active Member

    Find me a quote from any teammate of Jeter's (other than a creep like Chad Curtis) that has anything negative to say about the Captain.

    Now compare that to what people have said about Olbermann over the years...
     
  6. SnarkShark

    SnarkShark Well-Known Member

    Nothing negative to say, but I think the point Olbermann makes is valid. If he takes himself out of the lineup or moves down in the lineup, the Yankees might be in the playoffs.
     
  7. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    Exactly. He has consistently proven himself to be selfish. That is just the latest example. Doesn't make him any less of a player or even make him a bad guy, but it does call the Captain Intangibles crap into question.
     
  8. MankyJimy

    MankyJimy Active Member

    And who sets the lineup, Jeter or Girardi? I've never heard of any player requesting to be benched, or dropped in the lineup.

    Even if they did drop him in the lineup, who takes his place batting 2nd? Stephen Drew? Ichiro? They haven't hit any better than Jeter. This is the weakest-hitting team the Yankees have fielded in a generation. They are lucky to be mathematically alive for the wild card.
     
  9. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    Oh, you've decided to be something close to rational for a bit? Okay. I'll play along.

    Alex Rodriguez volunteered to move to third base even though he was the far superior defensive shortstop. Think about that. Everything that is wrong with Alex Rodriguez and he was the one who put the team first, not Captain Intangibles.

    When Jason Giambi admitted his PED use (sort of), Jeter stood by him. When a large percentage of Yankee fans turned on Rodriguez even before the PED story broke, did Jeter stand up for his teammate? Or just let the teammate he didn't like twist on his own?

    And to your last argument, Jeter absolutely could have stepped up to help the team this season, but he put himself first again. Even if no player has ever done it, aren't you the one always trying to tell us how special Jeter is? Sorry, all evidence points to the Captain Intangibles thing being utter bullshit. He has been a great player who got to play on some great teams, but that's it.
     
  10. 3_Octave_Fart

    3_Octave_Fart Well-Known Member

    NYMag piece on the unguarded Jeter.
    http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2014/09/derek-jeter-private-photos.html

    The guy still isn't very interesting, is he.
     
  11. MankyJimy

    MankyJimy Active Member

    As of August 1st, Jeter was batting .280 (yes, a light-hitting .280 w/ only 3 HRs, but this in a league where the average hitter is only batting .253).

    What do they gain by dropping him in the lineup this late in the year? This team is not going anywhere..

    Olbermann is also being dishonest - he repeatedly uses WAR (a flawed stat) to slam Jeter then says that batting him 2nd has cost the Yankees a playoff spot. They are four games out of the wild card. Jeter has posted a positive WAR this year so he can't be hurting the team that much.
     
  12. outofplace

    outofplace Well-Known Member

    You call it a flawed statistic, then use it to justify keeping Jeter so high in the lineup? Yeah, that's more like the Manky we know.
     
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