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Why is counting cards such as bad thing?

Discussion in 'Anything goes' started by hondo, Sep 18, 2014.

  1. Buck

    Buck Well-Known Member

    Why would you sit on 13 against a dealer 10?
    Those are the decision that cost you money. If everyone at the table plays correct basic strategy, you can get the odds to around 50%.
    I don't criticize other players at the table, but it is frustrating when someone refuses to play correctly at a table where everyone else folowing the correct strategy.

    Poker is me against you. Blackjack is a team game, us against the house.
     
  2. playthrough

    playthrough Moderator Staff Member

    It won't all play out 50-50. Take it from a former degenerate who has read all the strategies and tried a fair amount of them. 12 or 13 isn't a terrible hand, but too many people panic and hold against dealer 10.

    Counting cards isn't hard per se, infact it's fairly easy at a full table with drunk people who agonize over every move. But as others said, it's not the counting it's the betting. Plus you'll usually look like you're paying way too much attention.
     
  3. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    You'll lose money about 9 times faster ...

    wizardofodds.com
     
  4. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    This is probably the single most influential strategy among gamblers, too. It's pretty funny.
     
  5. old_tony

    old_tony Well-Known Member

    Read what I said. The house's advantage is that the house wins when you both bust. If you never bust, you win the hands when a dealer has a 10 and turns up a 2-6 and ends up busting. It's just a theory.

    I know how to play blackjack. I'm just putting an alternate theory out there.I suppose if you're counting cards and you know the deck has a bunch of small cards ...

    But like I said, here is where the house gets its advantage: You get 17, the dealer gets 17, it's a push. Same with 18-18, 19-19, 20-20 and 21-21. But when you bust and the dealer busts, you lose.
     
  6. doctorquant

    doctorquant Well-Known Member

    OT ... Read above ... The house edge for your strategy is a bit more than 9 times that of basic strategy.

    And Buck, blackjack is you against the house. I know, I know ... You've seen dumbos make dumb plays that lead to the dealer not busting when he/she would have otherwise. But those cut both ways. For all intents and purposes, the dealer is dealing out of a shoe that has an infinite number of cards. What anybody else does at the table is, over the long run, irrelevant.
     
  7. Ben_Hecht

    Ben_Hecht Active Member

    An EXTREMELY high plus count (a deck ultra-rich in 10s)
     
  8. Ben_Hecht

    Ben_Hecht Active Member

    Nevada joints like to call counting illegal . . . it's against their rules, whatever. They'll shuffle up on you in a minute if they think they're onto you.

    Jersey's long been more "liberal", relatively speaking . . . but then, Jersey deals a LOT more 6/8-deck games, which take a good deal longer to count down in a satisfactory, advantageous fashion. A cut card eliminating from play most or all of the shank two decks doesn't leave much promising territory for prospecting.
     
  9. playthrough

    playthrough Moderator Staff Member

    Best game, odds-wise, I ever saw was single and double-deck at El Cortez in downtown Vegas. No 6-5 blackjacks or other injustices, just a straight game -- albeit with quiet Asian dealers and some very old and drunk people around you. (Although that was so long ago, if I ever go back then I'll be the old and drunk guy.)
     
  10. BB Bobcat

    BB Bobcat Active Member

    One of my pet peeves is people at the table who berate other people for playing incorrectly because it "messes up the game." It's ridiculous.

    The cards are random. What if you picked the cards out of a big pile instead of one at a time off the deck? You wouldn't suggest that someone picking one card had any impact on your card. So if the pile is organized suddenly one card has an impact on the other?

    Obviously it does have an "impact" but it's random and just as likely to be positive as negative.

    It's dumb.
     
  11. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    Yeah, but when you have a huge bet out and someone hits a 12 against dealer's 6 and draws that 10, the emotions can boil.
     
  12. BB Bobcat

    BB Bobcat Active Member

    No doubt. As long as you admit it's emotion and not rational, boil all you want
     
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