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« on: December 10, 2008, 10:34:44 AM »

this sprung from a comment some guy made about the dmn and the fw startlegram about the dmn not staffing texas rangers games. while i haven't heard that specifically, i have read in several places the possibility of the papers combining editorial resources. hell, why not just get it over with and merge if you're going to have the same reporter covering the rangers for both papers. just have an east and a west zone edition.


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« Reply #1 on: December 10, 2008, 02:51:44 PM »

Here's what I've heard from people at both papers, so I'm pretty sure it's accurate:

The plan is to split coverage of their pro teams. The DMN would cover the Mavs and Stars for both papers. The S-T would cover the Rangers for both papers.

Both papers would continue to staff the cash-cow Cowboys independently.

But, yeah, the DMN would no longer staff their MLB team. Shocking and saddening.
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« Reply #2 on: December 10, 2008, 03:01:31 PM »

they are apparently sharing stories on arts coverage, too.
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« Reply #3 on: December 10, 2008, 03:05:36 PM »

Like it or not, this might be the only way for the print media to survive. Combining resources is not a bad thing. Several papers are already doing it with shared delivery routes.
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« Reply #4 on: December 10, 2008, 03:10:21 PM »

Like it or not, this might be the only way for the print media to survive. Combining resources is not a bad thing. Several papers are already doing it with shared delivery routes.

Fine. But let's drop the pretense that there are two newspapers and make them one. Doesn't seem as if any city in the U.S. except New York will be able to support more than one newspaper, long term. Actually, it will be a binary system: one or none.
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« Reply #5 on: December 10, 2008, 03:12:37 PM »

So, basically, expect mass layoffs in the next few months...
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« Reply #6 on: December 10, 2008, 03:32:30 PM »

Brilliant, BRILLIANT, innovative media leadership from the top.

The DMN can't cover the Rangers!!!??? You have got to be kidding me. I knew things had gone downhill there from their all-world days of the '80s and much of the '90s, but this is utterly ridiculous.

Can you imagine if Tracy Ringolsby or Gerry Fraley had still been around at the DMN when this news came down???

Sad day.
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« Reply #7 on: December 10, 2008, 03:39:31 PM »

Brilliant, BRILLIANT, innovative media leadership from the top.

The DMN can't cover the Rangers!!!??? You have got to be kidding me. I knew things had gone downhill there from their all-world days of the '80s and much of the '90s, but this is utterly ridiculous.

Can you imagine if Tracy Ringolsby or Gerry Fraley had still been around at the DMN when this news came down???

Sad day.
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« Reply #8 on: December 10, 2008, 04:40:57 PM »

    Isn't it interesting that the Dallas Morning News, whose editorials are so strongly in favor of free market competition, is seeking to avoid practicing same?
    If I was an advertiser, I'd advertise in one paper during baseball season, and the other during hockey and basketball season. They're not saving money by costing me exposure. Fuck   both papers.
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« Reply #9 on: December 10, 2008, 04:43:55 PM »

I hope the DMN finds something for Evan Grant. He's a solid guy and a good reporter.
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« Reply #10 on: December 10, 2008, 05:03:49 PM »

Like it or not, this might be the only way for the print media to survive. Combining resources is not a bad thing. Several papers are already doing it with shared delivery routes.

Fine. But let's drop the pretense that there are two newspapers and make them one. Doesn't seem as if any city in the U.S. except New York will be able to support more than one newspaper, long term. Actually, it will be a binary system: one or none.

Except that Dallas and Fort Worth are two different cities with two very different readership bases.

What's next? The Star-Trib ceding hockey coverage to the Pioneer Press?
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« Reply #11 on: December 10, 2008, 05:07:37 PM »

Like it or not, this might be the only way for the print media to survive. Combining resources is not a bad thing. Several papers are already doing it with shared delivery routes.

Fine. But let's drop the pretense that there are two newspapers and make them one. Doesn't seem as if any city in the U.S. except New York will be able to support more than one newspaper, long term. Actually, it will be a binary system: one or none.

Except that Dallas and Fort Worth are two different cities with two very different readership bases.

What's next? The Star-Trib ceding hockey coverage to the Pioneer Press?
That's funny but I can actually see that happening.
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« Reply #12 on: December 10, 2008, 05:09:27 PM »

    Isn't it interesting that the Dallas Morning News, whose editorials are so strongly in favor of free market competition, is seeking to avoid practicing same?
   
Not really. They're coming up with their own free-market solution, rather than looking to the government to solve their problems through bailouts or regulation.
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« Reply #13 on: December 10, 2008, 05:12:29 PM »

Like it or not, this might be the only way for the print media to survive. Combining resources is not a bad thing. Several papers are already doing it with shared delivery routes.

Fine. But let's drop the pretense that there are two newspapers and make them one. Doesn't seem as if any city in the U.S. except New York will be able to support more than one newspaper, long term. Actually, it will be a binary system: one or none.

Except that Dallas and Fort Worth are two different cities with two very different readership bases.

What's next? The Star-Trib ceding hockey coverage to the Pioneer Press?
Pretty sure they both won't be around in 5 years for that to happen.
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« Reply #14 on: December 10, 2008, 05:13:36 PM »

they are apparently sharing stories on arts coverage, too.
As do Houston and SAntonio share travel stories.
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« Reply #15 on: December 10, 2008, 05:14:01 PM »

     Reducing competition by agreement between competitors is not a "Free market" solution. It's an attempt to manipulate the market by creating a monopoly. This idea has antitrust suit stamped on its forehead.
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« Reply #16 on: December 10, 2008, 05:16:03 PM »

Like it or not, this might be the only way for the print media to survive. Combining resources is not a bad thing. Several papers are already doing it with shared delivery routes.


   Foolish statement. Combining resources IS a bad thing. Go back and re-read the LANG thread about sharing and coordinating, and see how that worked out.  
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« Reply #17 on: December 10, 2008, 05:17:37 PM »

Like it or not, this might be the only way for the print media to survive. Combining resources is not a bad thing. Several papers are already doing it with shared delivery routes.


   Foolish statement. Combining resources IS a bad thing. Go back and re-read the LANG thread about sharing and coordinating, and see how that worked out.  
There's nothing foolish about it. It may be the last resort for print media.  The problem, as I see it, greed comes into play.
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« Reply #18 on: December 10, 2008, 05:19:26 PM »

I wouldn't exactly compare sharing delivery routes to sharing content.
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« Reply #19 on: December 10, 2008, 05:20:21 PM »

I wouldn't exactly compare sharing delivery routes to sharing content.

I was speaking about sharing everything and used that as an example.
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« Reply #20 on: December 10, 2008, 05:21:18 PM »

     Reducing competition by agreement between competitors is not a "Free market" solution. It's an attempt to manipulate the market by creating a monopoly. This idea has antitrust suit stamped on its forehead.
But if the market doesn't like it, the problem will take care of itself rather than staying artificially inflated through other means. The free market takes care of itself.

That said, I don't like their solution any more than you do.
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« Reply #21 on: December 10, 2008, 05:22:50 PM »

Like it or not, this might be the only way for the print media to survive. Combining resources is not a bad thing. Several papers are already doing it with shared delivery routes.


   Foolish statement. Combining resources IS a bad thing. Go back and re-read the LANG thread about sharing and coordinating, and see how that worked out.  
Like it or not, this might be the only way for the print media to survive. Combining resources is not a bad thing. Several papers are already doing it with shared delivery routes.


   Foolish statement. Combining resources IS a bad thing. Go back and re-read the LANG thread about sharing and coordinating, and see how that worked out.  
There's nothing foolish about it. It may be the last resort for print media. 

You're the same guy telling people on another thread that if young writers "want it enough," they'll be just fine.
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« Reply #22 on: December 10, 2008, 05:24:56 PM »

I wouldn't exactly compare sharing delivery routes to sharing content.

I was speaking about sharing everything and used that as an example.

Well it was a lousy example.
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« Reply #23 on: December 10, 2008, 05:25:55 PM »

Like it or not, this might be the only way for the print media to survive. Combining resources is not a bad thing. Several papers are already doing it with shared delivery routes.

Fine. But let's drop the pretense that there are two newspapers and make them one. Doesn't seem as if any city in the U.S. except New York will be able to support more than one newspaper, long term. Actually, it will be a binary system: one or none.

Except that Dallas and Fort Worth are two different cities with two very different readership bases.

What's next? The Star-Trib ceding hockey coverage to the Pioneer Press?
That's funny but I can actually see that happening.

I wasn't trying to be funny. I could see that as a precursor to one of them buying out the other one. As will be the case in DFW.
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« Reply #24 on: December 10, 2008, 05:30:28 PM »

If wonder how long until baseball travel is the exception rather than the rule at most papers, even big-city papers.
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