Murray Chass is back

[cranberry]

I saw Murray this afternoon working the basement corridors of Yankee Stadium -- as it should be. Anyway, he's launching a new site -- MurrayChass.com -- that BLOGGERS! and stat geeks will love to hate. The rest of us will pay attention to Murray's reporting of the game outside the lines, which has informed us well for decades. Welcome back.

[black dude with pompano]

http://www.murraychass.com/about.php

This is a site for baseball columns, not for baseball blogs. The proprietor of the site is not a fan of blogs. He made that abundantly clear on a radio show with Charlie Steiner when Steiner asked him what he thought of blogs and he replied, “I hate blogs.” He later heartily applauded Buzz Bissinger when the best-selling author denounced bloggers on a Bob Costas HBO show.

...this site will most likely appeal primarily to older fans whose interest in good old baseball is largely ignored in this day of young bloggers who know it all, and new- fangled statistics (VORP, for one excuse-me example), which are drowning the game in numbers and making people forget that human beings, not numbers, play the games.

Too bad those people don't know how to turn on a computer.

[shockey]

already in my fave places. good to have you back, murray.

[buckweaver]

Love Murray Chass. Can't wait to read more from him.

Just really don't understand why there's so much unprovoked hate from admitted baseball nerds ... about fellow baseball nerds. On both sides of the stat aisle.

There's a place for all of us, in this grand ol' game. Honest.

[BYH]

I thought Murray's speech at the HOF a few years ago was one of the best things I've ever heard.

But just about everything he's said and written since then makes him sound like Grandpa Simpson, ranting and raving and railing against a world that isn't as good as it was Back In The Day. Which sucks, b/c this site is a GREAT idea: Giving downsized writers who still have the access a place to write as well as an appreciative audience. But if he's just angling for an excuse to call out the BLOGGERS! and Red Sox fans for saying fuck a lot, well, what's the point?

[cranberry]

I thought Murray's speech at the HOF a few years ago was one of the best things I've ever heard.

But just about everything he's said and written since then makes him sound like Grandpa Simpson, ranting and raving and railing against a world that isn't as good as it was Back In The Day. Which sucks, b/c this site is a GREAT idea: Giving downsized writers who still have the access a place to write as well as an appreciative audience. But if he's just angling for an excuse to call out the BLOGGERS! and Red Sox fans for saying fuck a lot, well, what's the point?

I agree. Sometimes, I think, Murray unnecessarily feels a need to lash out at BLOGGERS! and stat geeks when he should just let it go and write about the stuff he usually writes about. Nobody goes to a Chass column for statistical analysis or trivial gossip. He should just write for his readership.

[black dude with pompano]

Just really don't understand why there's so much unprovoked hate from admitted baseball nerds ... about fellow baseball nerds. On both sides of the stat aisle.

Unprovoked? Murray uses every chance he gets to provoke "baseball nerds."

I have long been a fan of his baseball writing, but that makes it even more disappointing that he is so willfully blind to trends and changes that virtually every MLB front office and every smart baseball person have already embraced.

[Boom_70]

I wonder if Murray finaly got his interview with George last night.

[black dude with pompano]

"Unprovoked," meaning ... nobody provoked him to write that. Yet he felt compelled to put that out there from the get-go, when nobody was even attacking him. Completely out of the blue. Unprovoked.

Yes.

Sorry, I misunderstood your original post. I thought you were saying the hate from the stat-heads was unprovoked.

[ballscribe]

There's a typo in the first few grafs, which was jarring coming from him. And his argument about the lead time required to host the World Series didn't logic out.

But he'll get better at the "non-blogging" blog.   Also no place to send in reader comments.  (Maybe that's intentional!) It's bookmarked.

[NDub]

YOU KIDS GET OFF MY LAWN! DOWN WITH THE INTERNETS!!

Funny how Murray Chass in his "about" section chastises bloggers for the use of profanity yet in the same vein says he "heartily applauded" Buzz Bissinger when he denounced blogs on Costas Now.

Funny, Murray. Wasn't Bissinger's "denouncement" just an unprofessional, profanity-laced tirade? (I'm not arguing with BB's points, just his delivery.) How hypocritical.

Furthermore, he says e-mail comments are invited, yet he doesn't even post his e-mail or any sort of contact information.

In addition, Chass noted that some of his grandchildren will likely visit the site, and they hear enough profanity in school without needing to read it here.

Well, don't let them listen to your boy Buzz Bissinger's commentary on Costas Now!

[buckweaver]

More to the point:

How amusing is it that he chastises "bloggers and Red Sox fans," says "this is [not] a site ... for blogs" and adds, "I am not a fan of blogs" ... on the blog that he just started?

I mean, he does see the hypocrisy in that, doesn't he?

Boy, this is going to be fun to read. And I mean that sincerely.

[Small Town Guy]

"One way would be to reward the team with the better won-lost record. But that idea wouldn’t work logistically. Baseball can’t wait until days or even a week before the World Series is scheduled to start to determine where Series game will be played. Airlines and hotels don’t work that way."

Someone mentioned this in the all-star game thread as well. This makes no sense, since, obviously, the NBA and NHL somehow manage to work their way through the nightmare of scheduling flights and hotels at the last-minute. With the NBA, occasionally home-court for the opening rounds isn't determined until the final game, if the 4-5 seeds are still up for grabs or, as was the case in the West this year, the 2-8 seeds are unknown until the end. I don't remember reading any stories about the Suns having to stay in a Mexican hotel because they couldn't find rooms in San Antonio. Why can't baseball manage this? Are the traveling secretaries inept?

[Della9250]

"One way would be to reward the team with the better won-lost record. But that idea wouldn’t work logistically. Baseball can’t wait until days or even a week before the World Series is scheduled to start to determine where Series game will be played. Airlines and hotels don’t work that way."

Someone mentioned this in the all-star game thread as well. This makes no sense, since, obviously, the NBA and NHL somehow manage to work their way through the nightmare of scheduling flights and hotels at the last-minute. With the NBA, occasionally home-court for the opening rounds isn't determined until the final game, if the 4-5 seeds are still up for grabs or, as was the case in the West this year, the 2-8 seeds are unknown until the end. I don't remember reading any stories about the Suns having to stay in a Mexican hotel because they couldn't find rooms in San Antonio. Why can't baseball manage this? Are the traveling secretaries inept?

It's because you'd have to cram all those people on to the one flight that goes to Cleveland or Seattle on such short notice. What are you gonna make them do then, ride the rails?

[lantaur]

Murray Chass won't read it, but FireJoeMorgan.com offers its take on Chass' opening salvo:
http://www.firejoemorgan.com/2008/07/i-felt-lot-better-about-giving-flooky.html

[Boom_70]

I have to say -  The Times Sunday baseball notes column is a much more informative read since Murray left.
Murray never seemed to accept the fact that Marvin Miller had left the building and was not coming back.

[Big Circus]

Why can't baseball manage this? Are the traveling secretaries inept?

COSTANZA!

[Frank_Ridgeway]

More to the point:

How amusing is it that he chastises "bloggers and Red Sox fans," says "this is [not] a site ... for blogs" and adds, "I am not a fan of blogs" ... on the blog that he just started?

I mean, he does see the hypocrisy in that, doesn't he?

Why? Are you proposing that there's no difference between a Web site and a blog? Chass' thing isn't a blog. He doesn't link anywhere, he doesn't riff off other people's writing, he's inviting contributions only from writers with longtime professional experience, apparently he still has access in stadiums, he doesn't have that bloglike structure (WordPress, etc.) and he does not permit posts by readers. It seems to me that it's as much of a blog as ESPN.com is.

[BYH]

"One way would be to reward the team with the better won-lost record. But that idea wouldn’t work logistically. Baseball can’t wait until days or even a week before the World Series is scheduled to start to determine where Series game will be played. Airlines and hotels don’t work that way."

Someone mentioned this in the all-star game thread as well. This makes no sense, since, obviously, the NBA and NHL somehow manage to work their way through the nightmare of scheduling flights and hotels at the last-minute. With the NBA, occasionally home-court for the opening rounds isn't determined until the final game, if the 4-5 seeds are still up for grabs or, as was the case in the West this year, the 2-8 seeds are unknown until the end. I don't remember reading any stories about the Suns having to stay in a Mexican hotel because they couldn't find rooms in San Antonio. Why can't baseball manage this? Are the traveling secretaries inept?

If they're all like Jay Horwitz...then yes.

So no.

[cranberry]

Murray is one of the two or three most important baseball writers of the past 30 years. His remarkable body of work stands for itself.

Sure he doesn't like BLOGS! Most of them are a far, far cry from actual journalism, whose tenets and principles he's upheld throughout his career. And I'm sure as a New York writer he got plenty of unfavorable feedback from Red Sox fanbois.

And I doubt very much he cares about the opinions offered by firejoemorgan.com geeks.

[Boom_70]

Murray is one of the two or three most important baseball writers of the past 30 years. His remarkable body of work stands for itself.

Sure he doesn't like BLOGS! Most of them are a far, far cry from actual journalism, whose tenets and principles he's upheld throughout his career. And I'm sure as a New York writer he got plenty of unfavorable feedback from Red Sox fanbois.

And I doubt very much he cares about the opinions offered by firejoemorgan.com geeks.

I found his work as bland as bouillon. In many ways Murray was just a pipeline for the players union. Not sure what Red Sox fans are griping about. In his final years at the Times he became almost a Red Sox toady. It was rumored that he had the ear of Larry Luchino.

[Tracy Ringolsby]

Two things.
First on the World Series. The difference between a baseball World Series and the NBA or NHL is that Major League Baseball actually needs more than 5,000 hotel rooms blocked for the World Series with all the sponsor and TV demands it now has, in addition to credentials for more than 1,000 media types. I can talk about the old days, remembering back to the `70s when the entire group attending the All-Star Game -- TV, newspaper, players, club officials and sponsors -- at the Sheraton Harbor Island. Now it has grown and mainly it has grown from the business aspect to the point that they legitimately need so much space for the events that city can't handle it on short notice. I'm not saying its good. Heck, I'm old enough to miss the old days when you actually could go to an event and see baseball people and not the sponsors. But that's the reality of it.
As for Murray, the man has had opinions that irritate, but he has always had a very high level of ethics and values. He also has always been able to provide a strong insight to the contractual and union aspects of the game. You can ask Murray, there have been many a strong argument between us on issues but I really feel you have to respect his work ethic and efforts. I do find a bit of irony in that so often the old-school is criticized for not being more open and understanding of others views, but I also find a lot of stat folks who have little toleration of the old school. The truth of the matter is stats have been a part of baseball for ages. They are not some new found toy. They are more intricate now, just like everything else in life, because of tech advances. To be successful there is a need to be open to both sides. I also find an irony in the line basically being drawn that longtime baseball writers don't appreciate stats like the new ones when in reality it is the longtime baseball writers who keep their log books, doing their stat work daily when many of the younger ones don't even keep scorecards from one day to the next, losing the ability to makes notations on different events, chosing to rely on PR departments or internet sites to do that for them. That doesn't make them wrong. That doesn't mean they aren't doing a good job. It's just a point of reference.

[cranberry]

Murray is one of the two or three most important baseball writers of the past 30 years. His remarkable body of work stands for itself.

Sure he doesn't like BLOGS! Most of them are a far, far cry from actual journalism, whose tenets and principles he's upheld throughout his career. And I'm sure as a New York writer he got plenty of unfavorable feedback from Red Sox fanbois.

And I doubt very much he cares about the opinions offered by firejoemorgan.com geeks.

I found his work as bland as bouillon. In many ways Murray was just a pipeline for the players union. Not sure what Red Sox fans are griping about. In his final years at the Times he became almost a Red Sox toady. It was rumored that he had the ear of Larry Luchino.

You've said this before, Boom, but the fact is that Murray has probably more front office sources than any baseball writer in the business, including but certainly not exclusively within the union. Team owners on down. Murray has a lot of sources BECAUSE people in the industry trust him to report thoroughly, fairly and accurately.

It may have appeared to some people that he favored the union because, inf the final analysis Marvin Miller and the union proved to be right on most of the issues and because he was one of the few writers reporting on labor matters.

[Boom_70]

Murray is one of the two or three most important baseball writers of the past 30 years. His remarkable body of work stands for itself.

Sure he doesn't like BLOGS! Most of them are a far, far cry from actual journalism, whose tenets and principles he's upheld throughout his career. And I'm sure as a New York writer he got plenty of unfavorable feedback from Red Sox fanbois.

And I doubt very much he cares about the opinions offered by firejoemorgan.com geeks.

I found his work as bland as bouillon. In many ways Murray was just a pipeline for the players union. Not sure what Red Sox fans are griping about. In his final years at the Times he became almost a Red Sox toady. It was rumored that he had the ear of Larry Luchino.

You've said this before, Boom, but the fact is that Murray has probably more front office sources than any baseball writer in the business, including but certainly not exclusively within the union. Team owners on down. Murray has a lot of sources BECAUSE people in the industry trust him to report thoroughly, fairly and accurately.

It may have appeared to some people that he favored the union because, inf the final analysis Marvin Miller and the union proved to be right on most of the issues and because he was one of the few writers reporting on labor matters.

The short version of Murray's work in past 5 years:

Marvin Miller should be in the Hall of fame
The Yankees are evil
Larry Luchino is a genius

[cranberry]

Murray is one of the two or three most important baseball writers of the past 30 years. His remarkable body of work stands for itself.

Sure he doesn't like BLOGS! Most of them are a far, far cry from actual journalism, whose tenets and principles he's upheld throughout his career. And I'm sure as a New York writer he got plenty of unfavorable feedback from Red Sox fanbois.

And I doubt very much he cares about the opinions offered by firejoemorgan.com geeks.

I found his work as bland as bouillon. In many ways Murray was just a pipeline for the players union. Not sure what Red Sox fans are griping about. In his final years at the Times he became almost a Red Sox toady. It was rumored that he had the ear of Larry Luchino.

You've said this before, Boom, but the fact is that Murray has probably more front office sources than any baseball writer in the business, including but certainly not exclusively within the union. Team owners on down. Murray has a lot of sources BECAUSE people in the industry trust him to report thoroughly, fairly and accurately.

It may have appeared to some people that he favored the union because, inf the final analysis Marvin Miller and the union proved to be right on most of the issues and because he was one of the few writers reporting on labor matters.

The short version of Murray's work in past 5 years:

Marvin Miller should be in the Hall of fame
The Yankees are evil
Larry Luchino is a genius

So you're saying the recent work of a man (who's been a reporter since 1960) who has undergone surgery for brain cancer as well as a quadruple bypass in the past four years hasn't been up to speed. I agree.