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« on: April 06, 2008, 02:40:13 PM »

Sent to me via the Pipeline.  I can't imagine how ugly things may get out there:

Dave:
   My statement that you are the worst newsman I've known is fact in
that it is limited to the ones I have worked with. There maybe
someone worse out there, God help us, but I haven't come across him
or her yet. And my statement is supported by the factual points that
follow it.
   As for not knowing who controls hiring and firing of editors, are
you suggesting you actually fought to keep Ron in the position? Or
that you are totally powerless because your move to the Mercury News
was a demotion? You used to be over DN editorial.
   If you had nothing to do with it, why were you the messenger to
Ron? Because he would take it better from you? Or because the
publisher who ordered the mass slaughter in February didn't have the
nerve but you did? And with your personal ties to the DN, why didn't
you see to it that the newsroom was informed?
   I stand by everything I wrote.
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>Val:
>
>Thanks for your insulting and unprofessional note. Think want you
want
>of me I do believe you have forgotten that I recommended Ron to be
the
>editor of the paper and supported his many efforts to do something
>different, because the paper has and continues to suffer financially.
>But get this straight: I do not control the fate of editors. The
>publisher of each newspaper does. You are making the worst mistake
that
>a reporter can make -- though that's not surprising to me -- in
assuming
>what my role may or may not have been in terms of Ron. You don't have
>the facts, mam.
>
>-Dave
>
>
>Dave:
>   When you took over the San Jose Mercury News, I bemoaned the loss
of
>a great paper to the hands of the worst newsman I've ever known. The
one
>who ran Bush's 2000 convention nomination acceptance speech on page 1
>with a Bush byline. The one who thought "Big Brother" was worth
>round-the-clock coverage just because it was being shot in the
Valley.
>The one who paid for the most pandering and least probing interview
with
>the president ever published anywhere, with cleaned-up quotes to
boot.
>The one who was giddy as a schoolgirl over the fact that the Daily
News
>scored a photo op with the president and vice president. Woohoo.
>   This week I can say with certainty that you are also the worst
boss I
>ever have worked for, and with my long and varied career that puts
you
>at the top of a very long list.
>   I had my differences with Ron, but I appreciated that he was
trying
>to make the paper different and more accessible to an ever-changing
>audience, unlike his predecessor who held an endless number of
brown-bag
>meetings in the zebra lounge that amounted to absolutely nothing. "We
>need to do something different" was about the most concrete guidance
you
>ever offered.
>   Making him let go 22 employees, which clearly took an emotional
toll,
>so you could return just four weeks later and do the same to him (I
>suspect without batting an eye) is very low indeed. I have learned
since
>that the newsroom was informed of the change by laobserved.com
because
>you apparently lack the cojones to face the staff in person and
inform
>them of what you did.
>   There is some cathartic pleasure for me in being able to be so
blunt
>with you, and I feel certain at least some of my former colleagues
share
>my views. I have nothing to lose by expressing them because I can say
>with great conviction that I will never again, under any
circumstances,
>work for someone as incompetent, arrogant, self-serving and
heartless as
>you. Life is too short.
>
>Very sincerely,
>Valerie Kuklenski
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« Reply #1 on: April 06, 2008, 02:46:57 PM »

That's awesome stuff. LAObserved would have killed for this.
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« Reply #2 on: April 06, 2008, 02:50:51 PM »

They got nothing on The Pipeline, I'm telling you, nothing.
Though they may be ahead of me in St. Louis.  Talking about a Pipeline drying up.
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« Reply #3 on: April 06, 2008, 03:23:20 PM »

Wow.
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« Reply #4 on: April 06, 2008, 03:26:10 PM »

That'll accomplish, well, nothing.
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« Reply #5 on: April 06, 2008, 03:28:12 PM »

But my guess is she at least felt better after sending it.
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« Reply #6 on: April 06, 2008, 04:22:02 PM »

Val was one of the 22 let go in February. She can say what everyone else is thinking. And yes, I can confirm the staff was informed of Ron's departure by laobserved.com

The editors were told a few days earlier, but asked to keep it quiet.

New editor is some lady from Monterrey, supposedly.
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« Reply #7 on: April 06, 2008, 04:47:31 PM »

Reminds me of this ...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=1TmxvlitVPE
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« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2008, 05:40:59 PM »

If the new editor is Carolina Garcia, she will be a 180-degree turn from Ron Kaye in personality and approach.
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« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2008, 10:58:24 PM »

Calling out The Butler is a great public service. Val scores points for that, and even more for striking some pretty raw nerve tissue. Hey Butler, if you really had nothing to do with Ron Kaye's ouster, why's are you squirming? Why are you even responding?   
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« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2008, 11:00:32 PM »

I couldn't get past the typos.
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« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2008, 11:10:29 PM »

Of course there were typos. He laid off all the copy editors.
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« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2008, 01:08:18 AM »

Good for her.
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« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2008, 07:44:39 AM »

The one who ran Bush's 2000 convention nomination acceptance speech on page 1 with a Bush byline.

brilliant
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« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2008, 06:38:09 PM »

Hey, hey, laobserved.com noticed Moddy's efforts.
The pipeline is truly amazing.
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« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2008, 06:49:04 PM »

Link?
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« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2008, 06:54:56 PM »

Hey, hey, laobserved.com noticed Moddy's efforts.
The pipeline is truly amazing.

And, yes, yes, yes it is (puffing out chest).
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« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2008, 06:55:28 PM »

http://www.laobserved.com/archive/2008/04/la_media_types_are_talkin.php#more
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« Reply #18 on: April 07, 2008, 07:02:34 PM »

The LAObserved piece also hit poynter, and that is where I saw it.
I don't normally dive too deep into the Zell hatefest that is LAobserved, but much thanks to The Good Doc for righting my link laziness.
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« Reply #19 on: April 07, 2008, 07:06:10 PM »

The LAObserved piece also hit poynter, and that is where I saw it.
I don't normally dive too deep into the Zell hatefest that is LAobserved, but much thanks to The Good Doc for righting my link laziness.

Umm, ohhh-kay. I suppose one could draw that conclusion about laobserved, since they have had plenty of entries about the Zell takeover of Tribune. But it's only the biggest newspaper in town, and the only one (besides OCR) ostensibly still trying to practice decent journalism. You'll have to forgive them for devoting some time to Zell's consistent mishaps and the LAT's problems (financial and editorial) the last few months.

LAObserved is a tremendous site. Lots more on there than a "Zell hatefest".
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« Reply #20 on: April 07, 2008, 07:11:04 PM »

I keed, I keed.
LAObserved is a pretty good window into the SoCal media world even though I am a distant observer. I was just hoping that the good peeps behind the site, since they pay such close attention to the goings on at sj.com, would give another shoutout to the Moddy.
Moddy needs all the love he can get.
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« Reply #21 on: April 07, 2008, 07:29:05 PM »

Yes I do, especially after the weekend I had.  Sick, Nats losing, getting my ass jumped by whinysj.com's membership.  I need love and a new pair of shoes or two.


Whinysj.com is only a very, very, very small percentage of the SJ.com Nation I love, by the way.

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« Reply #22 on: April 07, 2008, 08:08:54 PM »

Wait, people were whining at you and I missed out?

Please fill me in so I can make up for lost time.
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« Reply #23 on: April 07, 2008, 08:09:28 PM »

I'll be sure to let you know.

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« Reply #24 on: April 07, 2008, 08:11:47 PM »

LAObserved is a great site. I go there every day.
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