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He's coming for the guns, and hell's coming with him!

Discussion in 'Sports and News' started by BDC99, Dec 31, 2015.

  1. old_tony

    old_tony Well-Known Member

    So your anecdotes are better?
     
  2. Riptide

    Riptide Well-Known Member

    Sick burn!
     
  3. Human_Paraquat

    Human_Paraquat Well-Known Member

    A few years ago in my tiny rural hometown, two guys broke into a house at night. Started beating up the husband, asking where he stashed his money, etc. Wife said she'd take them to the jewelry if they stopped beating him, so they tied him up.

    While she was upstairs with the robbers, the husband got free. He was a retired Sheriff's deputy. Went and got one of his handguns. Only one of the invaders made it out alive, and I think the other was wounded.

    But here's where the gun advocates lose me every time. Banning weapons like the AR-15, or requiring extensive background checks even at gun shows, or any other common sense gun control measures supported by a majority of our citizens in no way prevents the scenario above. It's the all-or-nothing zealotry that I simply cannot reconcile, either logically or against the written word of the constitution.
     
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  4. Batman

    Batman Well-Known Member

    I get where you're coming from, but I think part of the all-or-nothing zealotry comes from the way a lot of gun laws have been written. Some of them are very broad in what they classify as assault weapons, for example. Under some definitions, a 9mm handgun that's very popular for home defense could probably be considered a semi-automatic assault weapon. So the zealots dig in, afraid that allowing anti-gun groups -- who, make no mistake, are just as zealous in their quest to eliminate guns as groups like the NRA are to keep them -- to define what is and isn't a restricted class of weapon could effectively ban many, if not all, weapons.
     
  5. Smallpotatoes

    Smallpotatoes Well-Known Member

    I just don't understand the opposition to expanded background checks. If you're a stable, law-abiding citizen, you'll pass the background check and get whatever gun you want.
    I've heard some people complain about people with domestic violence convictions not being able to own guns. Well, maybe they should have thought about that before they hit their wife. How is that anything other than common sense?
     
  6. YankeeFan

    YankeeFan Well-Known Member

    Gun rights activists are such absolutists.

    Why can't they embrace "common sense" restrictions the way free speech and/or abortion rights advocates do?
     
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  7. Smallpotatoes

    Smallpotatoes Well-Known Member

    There already are "common sense" restrictions on free speech. Several states have passed laws restricting abortion.

    You're just deflecting because you cannot defend someone convicted of domestic violence being allowed to own a gun.
     
  8. Human_Paraquat

    Human_Paraquat Well-Known Member

    There are common sense restrictions on free speech and abortion. You're proving my point.
     
  9. Human_Paraquat

    Human_Paraquat Well-Known Member

    A fair point, which is why, ideally, the laws would not be decided by the lunatic fringe and could be tweaked based on compromise within the sensible middle.

    But when the gun lobbies holds lawmakers hostage (or lawmakers allow it to happen, perhaps) it's hard to find that sensible middle. (I concur it's difficult to find it these days on other issues, as well.
     
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  10. BDC99

    BDC99 Well-Known Member

    Truth gonna hurt even worse in November.
     
  11. Smallpotatoes

    Smallpotatoes Well-Known Member

  12. Oggiedoggie

    Oggiedoggie Well-Known Member

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