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Gawker.com go bye-bye

Discussion in 'Journalism topics only' started by wicked, Aug 18, 2016.

  1. typefitter

    typefitter Well-Known Member

  2. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

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    Yes, that is hyperbole. No, the way Peter Thiel swung his dick to bring them down over words he didn't like, presents a danger. There is a right way to deal with ideas and messages you don't like or find offensive. And there is a wrong way. That was the wrong way.
     
  3. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    To this point, the only "right way" I've heard about to remedy the situation is for the affected person to, hey man, get over it.
     
  4. Riptide

    Riptide Well-Known Member

    "Walk it off!"
     
  5. typefitter

    typefitter Well-Known Member

    This article sums up my feelings on the situation:

    Never Mind Peter Thiel. Gawker Killed Itself

    If Gawker and its sociopathic bloggers had managed to control their tantrums better, Peter Thiel wouldn't have been given so many openings. The Hogan case is only one of several he's funding. Gawker's anger made it blind to the traps it was setting for itself.
     
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  6. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    The fact that Peter Thiel put millions of dollars into a bunch of disparate lawsuits to try to shut down a site that pissed him off is exactly the point, for me. I am not arguing that Gawker wasn't guilty of "schoolyard-bully-level cruelty," as that writer put it, or that it pissed off people and made enemies. Of course it did.

    That doesn't mean that someone with millions of dollars should be able to use civil litigation in an "any-means-necessary" way, to shut down a publication he has a vendetta against -- even that schoolyard bully. If you are willing to look the other way on what is essentially a free press issue when it is Gawker, just don't be surprised if or when it involves a publication or website you find less objectionable.

    And for what it is worth there are a million "right ways," to my way of thinking, to challenge a bully. Peter Thiel could have used that money to take out full page ads in every newspaper in the country. He could have run TV ads. He could have started his own website to try to convince people who gave Gawker traffic that it was smut and not worth their time. He could have started a boycott of Gawker advertisers or otherwise put pressure on them. I get it. He did the most expedient, "fuck with them but good" thing, instead. It was the smart move if he had a singular focus of destroying them. And it worked. My problem is that that option should not have been available to him in a free society.
     
  7. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    What you're proposing would have only galvanized the Gawkerites -- and probably made their business better, as it would have meant more eyeballs.

    It's the equivalent of Kramer taking the desiccant out of all the boutique's clothing so it wears out unexpectedly in five years.

    From the Denton essay:

    A misjudged story about a media executive’s secret sex life just last year, a throwback to an earlier web era, set off a swirl of industry outrage.

    ...

    After a tabloid story in 2009 about a hot-tub party involving two actors and a former beauty queen, we paid out a settlement. It was a warning.


    I mean, those things happened and Gawker just kept rolling? And getting richer? "Misjudged"? A warning -- about what, to actually give a shit about what's being published under your banner?

    And Thiel was supposed to wage a battle in the court of public opinion against that. Yeah, that's going to be a winning play.
     
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  8. typefitter

    typefitter Well-Known Member

    I believe that rights come with responsibilities, and a free press requires self-judgment about what is and isn't good journalism. Mother Jones faced a similar case and won because its journalism was sound. Gawker lost because it should have lost, and because AJ Daulerio said during a deposition that he'd publish sex tapes involving children so long as they were more than four years old.
     
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  9. The Big Ragu

    The Big Ragu Moderator Staff Member

    My posts aren't about the most effective way to "win." Peter Thiel won. He shut them down because they pissed him off. It worked.

    My point is that the fact that he was able to lurk in the shadows with millions of dollars and use a crappy state law to shut down a website is a blow to a free and open society -- even if Gawker WAS a bunch of shitbags taking shots at people.

    Personally, I also think that the most effective way to deal with a bully is not to shout it down by any means necessary -- even if that can be the most expedient thing to do if you have the resources, and it just feels good. I think the people who actually make a difference in the long-run -- i.e. change attitudes of people -- are willing to challenge ideas or words they don't like head on and with reason. Otherwise you are just the guy with the bigger gun (for the day).

    And typefitter, no, Gawker should not have lost that lawsuit. The grounds they were able to sue on in Florida shouldn't even exist. The point of a free press is that you don't get to impose your ideas of what is "good journalism" on the world. That is the thing that makes it so honest dissent can exist.

    AJ Daulerio could have endorsed genocide or kiddy sex tapes or any other horrible thing you can think of in a deposition. It makes him an asshole. But he has the right to be an asshole. In this case, it was stupid obviously, because their opponents used it to appeal to emotion. The thing is, emotion should have had no place in this.
     
  10. JackReacher

    JackReacher Well-Known Member

    Have we reached the point where the two sides just keep repeating their arguments over and over or nah?
     
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  11. LongTimeListener

    LongTimeListener Well-Known Member

    Probably.

    If the net result is a chilling effect on the widespread distribution of unauthorized videos of a person's genitals, I'm OK with that.
     
  12. JackReacher

    JackReacher Well-Known Member

    Sweet. Carry on then.
     
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